Rover 825 v6 Sterling 1998 R543 HJW

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Re: Rover 825 v6 Sterling 1998 R543 HJW

Post by scoobyh123 » Tue Sep 11, 2018 8:08 am

What ATF did you use in the gearbox? The JATCo box can be errrr............ "sensitive" to the wrong ATF and throw its toys out of the pram in right royal fashion!

As for the timing belt, unless you have the camshaft locking tools, i'd suggest the "slice the belt" method of replacement. In simple terms, using a Stanley knife or similar, slice the belt in half lengthways so you effectively end up with two narrow belts. Pull the front one off so you can then slide the new belt on, perfectly timed. You may need to slacken the tensioner to achieve this and re-tension after but once the new belt is in place and holding, cut the rear half of the old one to remove it, pushing the new one fully home ASAP after. This video shows the idea, albeit on a Suzuki Vitara but the idea is the same :

https://youtu.be/q1u7aKkBYic

If you skip to 1:30, you don't have to watch all the prep work including radiator removal etc. I'd use the same method for the two short belts on the back of the engine as well.

As for LPG, yes it's well worth doing. Depending on your skills, budget and so on, a secondhand system would be the most cost-effective way of doing it. Don't be tempted to go for a single point mixer system, it won't work properly on the KV6. There are plenty of good SGi (Sequential Gas injection) systems around that will work well though, something like the Stag 300-6 or Diego equivalent (very similar systems) would be a good place to start, i've also heard good reports on the LPG-Tech system although only from people who have fitted them. :wink: :D
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Re: Rover 825 v6 Sterling 1998 R543 HJW

Post by Col 2e » Thu Sep 13, 2018 4:14 pm

We used Carlube ATF-U fully synthetic. ordered SKF VKMA 07307 Timing Belt Kit, awaiting knowledgeable help from old workmates.... Cheers Scooby. r u living in Suffolk area ??anywhere near Ipswich ?? Col

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Re: Rover 825 v6 Sterling 1998 R543 HJW

Post by scoobyh123 » Thu Sep 13, 2018 8:37 pm

Carlube ATF-U is the right fluid for the JATCo box Col -it meets JWS3309 which if memory serves is the one for that box. It's a very good fluid and i use it in both my auto boxes and PAS as well. Also mixed 50/50 with acetone to create "WMP" - Weapon of Mass Penetration - makes WD40 seem like ice cream in terms of being effective!

I'm a little way from Ipswich - about as far west in Suffolk as you can get and Ipswich is probably about as far east! I'm very close to the Cambs/Norfolk/Suffolk border next door to some big fancy airplanes y'all. :P :wink: :D
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Re: Rover 825 v6 Sterling 1998 R543 HJW

Post by Col 2e » Fri Sep 14, 2018 7:42 am

We drained 3 litres from the auto gearbox and i'll do the same again in a few months, hopefully repeat in a few years time as well. Drove 300 mile return trip to Sunderland several weeks ago- didn't miss a beat. Run down to Bournemouth end of October, she should be over 65,000 miles by then. just running in...….Col.

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Re: Rover 825 v6 Sterling 1998 R543 HJW

Post by scoobyh123 » Fri Sep 14, 2018 8:07 am

If the fluid has never been changed to your knowledge, repeat the fluid change in a month or two then again a month or two after. Then wait for the anniversary of the first change and do one more then do one a year - saves all the palaver of having to do a cluster of them to bring the fluid back up to standard. Regardless of mileage, it does deteriorate with time as well, not so badly with the synthetic but it still happens.

That's why the service schedule calls for replacement every 2 years or 24k miles, whichever is the sooner. Doing one part change a year after a cluster to bring the fluid up to standard is easier than doing a cluster every 2 years. It keeps the fluid fresher and much cleaner and also gives you the opportunity to notice if anything seems odd with the fluid colour which is handy for diagnosing problems before they become expensive/terminal. :wink: :D
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Re: Rover 825 v6 Sterling 1998 R543 HJW

Post by Col 2e » Tue Sep 18, 2018 7:01 am

Will do....just sourced 'under bonnet sound proofing' in good condition, can get rid of the rat chewed material there at the moment. A couple of the external door trims I've got have a small Rover badge on ?? is the the MK 1 trim?? Col.

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Re: Rover 825 v6 Sterling 1998 R543 HJW

Post by scoobyh123 » Tue Sep 18, 2018 11:40 am

Just a word to the wise - get an assistant to help you fit the new one! Also if you can get something to help support the new one in the middle, perhaps a piece of hardboard almost as big as the sound-proofing it will help reduce the risk of the new bit breaking.

If it was me, while the standard underbonnet soundproofing was off, i would add some self-adhesive soundproofing to the exposed areas of bonnet that can now be seen. In other words, when you remove the old one, you'll see the strengthening ribs on the inside of the bonnet - i'd fit self-adhesive soundproofing between those ribs as well. You can also get self-adhesive soundproofing with foil on one side to prevent heat transfer - this will help keep the bonnet cool from the inside, protecting the paint for longer.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2m-6mm-Roll- ... 3064445440

That's the sort of thing i mean, here's an example (not necessarily the best deal) of the thermal stuff :

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Flame-Retard ... 2505749563

Once you get the OE soundproofing over it then first it won't be seen and second, will reduce the noise level considerably.

As for the trim pieces, can you add a photo? I'm not sure i know what you mean. :wink: :D
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Re: Rover 825 v6 Sterling 1998 R543 HJW

Post by Col 2e » Thu Sep 27, 2018 3:18 pm

Dave , job done
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Re: Rover 825 v6 Sterling 1998 R543 HJW

Post by Col 2e » Thu Sep 27, 2018 3:22 pm

Now just need the courage to try the Timing Belts....Col.

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Re: Rover 825 v6 Sterling 1998 R543 HJW

Post by scoobyh123 » Thu Sep 27, 2018 10:08 pm

Good news on the insulation there Col - bet it sounds much quieter from outside now as well!

Those trims are from a later Mk2b, i wasn't sure what you meant at first but anytime from 1996 onwards i believe. :wink: :D
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Re: Rover 825 v6 Sterling 1998 R543 HJW

Post by Col 2e » Fri Sep 28, 2018 4:20 pm

Looks like they're the right trim .Under the bonnet looks better and sounds it...…. Cheers, for now , Col.

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Re: Rover 825 v6 Sterling 1998 R543 HJW

Post by Col 2e » Thu Oct 25, 2018 6:24 am

Was sounding better, blows on the exhaust system now, ordered new exhaust from 'Online Automotive' due this weekend, Does anyone have a Timing belt Tool Kit for KV6 2.5 98 reg in the Warrington Area that they'd be willing to loan/sell. Jimmy, Mechanic mate will only touch the belts if he has the proper kit. including, 18g 1747,18g 1747-1 ,18g 1747-2 etc. looks to be around £400 for new kit... Cheers, Colin.

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Re: Rover 825 v6 Sterling 1998 R543 HJW

Post by scoobyh123 » Thu Oct 25, 2018 8:15 am

Col 2e wrote:
Thu Oct 25, 2018 6:24 am
Does anyone have a Timing belt Tool Kit for KV6 2.5 98 reg in the Warrington Area that they'd be willing to loan/sell. Jimmy, Mechanic mate will only touch the belts if he has the proper kit. including, 18g 1747,18g 1747-1 ,18g 1747-2 etc. looks to be around £400 for new kit... Cheers, Colin.
Try a Kia dealer. They bought the rights to the original KV6 engine (as fitted to the 825 Rovers) and used the engine in the Kia Sedona (think it was the Sedona) so should have the tools. They may lend you the tools (perhaps against a deposit) or be able to do the job at a sensible price.

I can understand Jimmys reluctance to do the job without the tools - there are ways and means round most of it though.
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Re: Rover 825 v6 Sterling 1998 R543 HJW

Post by Manalishi » Thu Oct 25, 2018 12:58 pm

Nice on the sound proofing! That looks like something I want to try on my coupe!
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Re: Rover 825 v6 Sterling 1998 R543 HJW

Post by scoobyh123 » Thu Oct 25, 2018 1:06 pm

Manalishi wrote:
Thu Oct 25, 2018 12:58 pm
Nice on the sound proofing! That looks like something I want to try on my coupe!
After sound-proofing the cabin on my Sterling Henrik it's something i want to add to the bonnet of that as well and what made me suggest it - i'm glad it worked as well (maybe better?) than expected! :wink: :D
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