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Never used 820 engine

Post by TDHFastback » Sun Mar 15, 2015 7:46 pm

Interesting. Verrrrry interesting.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/shed-find-/14 ... 20f8500fdc

I was a bit disappointed when I saw the pictures, as I need a new shed and when I saw the item title thought. "Fantastic, thats just what I need"..... :roll:


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Re: Never used 820 engine

Post by SJG » Sun Mar 15, 2015 8:02 pm

I wonder if it will run?
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Re: Never used 820 engine

Post by Dajazar » Sun Mar 15, 2015 8:40 pm

I'd say that if you know what your'e doing with stripping an engine down then it would be a reasonable punt at the right price. BUT it doesn't look as if it has been reasonably well kept over the years so I'd be expecting a few problems, maybe even seizure. Look at the rust on the top cover. That would be enough to put me off.
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Re: Never used 820 engine

Post by scoobyh123 » Sun Mar 15, 2015 9:07 pm

TDHFastback wrote:Interesting. Verrrrry interesting.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/shed-find-/14 ... 20f8500fdc

I was a bit disappointed when I saw the pictures, as I need a new shed and when I saw the item title thought. "Fantastic, thats just what I need"..... :roll:


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Try these people for a shed Kate :

http://www.waltons.co.uk/

I recently ordered a shed and it should land on wednesday so i can tell you more then but their prices seem pretty good. You'll have to find your own engine to go inside it though! :lol:
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Re: Never used 820 engine

Post by traineefarmer » Sun Mar 15, 2015 9:32 pm

Did Lotus use an M16 in anything? I'm sure Morgan did, but Lotus?

The testing thing is interesting too. Could this be one of the fabled 16v O series rather than an M?
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Post by scoobyh123 » Sun Mar 15, 2015 10:20 pm

traineefarmer wrote:Did Lotus use an M16 in anything? I'm sure Morgan did, but Lotus?

The testing thing is interesting too. Could this be one of the fabled 16v O series rather than an M?
I could be wrong on this (and probably am) but i thought Lotus only ever used the K-Series in things like the Exige, Elise etc. - i didn't think they had ever used the O-Series or the M or T either.

I know Morgan used a twin cam 2-litre in (i think) the 4/4 but i was under the impression it was a Fiat engine (131/132 Mirafiori perhaps) and not a Rover unit.

As for the "fabled 16v O-Series", isn't that what they redesignated the M-Series after testing? It certainly looks like one the way the bores "bulge" in the side of the block and have the ribs between the pots and it seems to have a belt guard on the back end of the inlet camshaft which is where the drive for the power steering pump was on the early M-Series.
I remember reading somewhere (think it was aronline) that the O-Series came about when they tried to make a diesel version of the B-Series which is why the ribs are on the block. Being the mid-60s or thereabouts when they developed it, they went overboard with the strengthening which is why it was so easy to "dieselise" the O-Series later on which gave the Rover 2.0 diesel, later on the L-Series and also the Perkins Prima, all pretty much running on the original design.
Still doesn't answer the question though but hopefully a bit of interesting waffle there!
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Re: Never used 820 engine

Post by midnite » Sun Mar 15, 2015 10:44 pm

Simon Hubbard wrote:I wonder if it will run?
a question asked many times by 820 production line staff
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Post by traineefarmer » Sun Mar 15, 2015 10:49 pm

There was definitely a T series Morgan, not so certain about the M.

I read on another forum about some prototype M series heads that were found damaged in a scrap yard. Apparently they were obviously pre-production and were incompatible with an M block. The only conclusion was that they must have been some sort of missing link between the O and M.

Errors and omissions excepted, it was a long time since I read about it and I google cannot find it for me now either.
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Re: Never used 820 engine

Post by traineefarmer » Sun Mar 15, 2015 10:49 pm

midnite wrote:
Simon Hubbard wrote:I wonder if it will run?
a question asked many times by 820 production line staff
And many, many more times by the owners...
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Re: Never used 820 engine

Post by scoobyh123 » Mon Mar 16, 2015 12:56 am

traineefarmer wrote:There was definitely a T series Morgan, not so certain about the M.

I read on another forum about some prototype M series heads that were found damaged in a scrap yard. Apparently they were obviously pre-production and were incompatible with an M block. The only conclusion was that they must have been some sort of missing link between the O and M.

Errors and omissions excepted, it was a long time since I read about it and I google cannot find it for me now either.

Not sure about the prototype M-Series heads in a scrapyard but have a look at this :

http://www.aronline.co.uk/blogs/cars/mo ... -o-series/

Now compare the castings in the ebay listing (particularly the 3rd pic where it's easier to see) with the O-Series engine in the article. If not the same, they are scarily similar. It also gives a more detailed (and probably more accurate) account of how the O-Series came to be from the B-Series or the B-OHC as it was called "in house" for some time.

Can't as yet find any references to prototype M-Series heads in a scrappies but i'll keep hunting.
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Re: Never used 820 engine

Post by Richard Moss » Mon Mar 16, 2015 3:06 am

I'm pretty sure that Morgan used the M16 engine for a while.

If this is a twin cam O series then it must have some historical value
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Re: Never used 820 engine

Post by SJG » Mon Mar 16, 2015 6:53 am

midnite wrote:
Simon Hubbard wrote:I wonder if it will run?
a question asked many times by 820 production line staff

:roll: Yawn
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Re: Never used 820 engine

Post by midnite » Mon Mar 16, 2015 8:12 am

Simon Hubbard wrote:
midnite wrote:
Simon Hubbard wrote:I wonder if it will run?
a question asked many times by 820 production line staff

:roll: Yawn

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Re: Never used 820 engine

Post by scoobyh123 » Mon Mar 16, 2015 9:14 am

The biggest hindrance to any 820 engine running is management problems.

Make of that what you will! :wink: :lol:
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Re: Never used 820 engine

Post by TDHFastback » Mon Mar 16, 2015 4:04 pm

Morgan definitely used the 820 Rover engine in their +4

I know because I used to have one 8) 8) (it was a selling point for me)

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