Re: 1994 BRG Vitesse Fastback

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Re: 1994 BRG Vitesse Fastback

Post by Manalishi » Wed Oct 02, 2019 10:40 am

scoobyh123 wrote:
Tue Oct 01, 2019 10:17 pm
thanks forJim, odd about the lack of circlip groove. Perhaps with the extra length of that driveshaft it's just not needed, even at full suspension droop.

I've often wondered if a PG2 could be mated to a T-series, would be very useful on the turbo to eliminate torque-steer!
I know of a 220 turbo coupe in Sweden that has a pg2 fitted.

Jim, I am probably dismantling my 180bhp box during the winter so get prepared for incoming questions. :D
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Re: 1994 BRG Vitesse Fastback

Post by scoobyh123 » Wed Oct 02, 2019 2:22 pm

Have they added the intermediate output shaft and equal length driveshafts from the 827 (or perhaps two equal length driveshafts from other 2/400 models) do you know Henrik?

I'm looking forward to all your questions and Jims answers, also enjoyed the bits about the SRS ECU, i know very little about the SRS system (and thankfully don't need to!) but still interested in the diagnostic process involved. ;) :D
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Re: 1994 BRG Vitesse Fastback

Post by Manalishi » Wed Oct 02, 2019 7:59 pm

scoobyh123 wrote:
Wed Oct 02, 2019 2:22 pm
Have they added the intermediate output shaft and equal length driveshafts from the 827 (or perhaps two equal length driveshafts from other 2/400 models) do you know Henrik?

I'm looking forward to all your questions and Jims answers, also enjoyed the bits about the SRS ECU, i know very little about the SRS system (and thankfully don't need to!) but still interested in the diagnostic process involved. ;) :D
Sorry Dave, noooooo Idea! :lol:
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Re: 1994 BRG Vitesse Fastback

Post by scoobyh123 » Wed Oct 02, 2019 9:26 pm

No worries Henrik! More idle curiosity/interest on my part but it would make a nice conversion. :wink: :D
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Re: Re: 1994 BRG Vitesse Fastback

Post by 820Vitesse » Thu Oct 03, 2019 10:46 am

I think the PG1 and 2 internals are basically the same, from memory the casing is the main differences, I will find some pictures from the workshop manual.

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Re: Re: 1994 BRG Vitesse Fastback

Post by scoobyh123 » Thu Oct 03, 2019 12:05 pm

820Vitesse wrote:
Thu Oct 03, 2019 10:46 am
I think the PG1 and 2 internals are basically the same, from memory the casing is the main differences, I will find some pictures from the workshop manual.
The basic layout is certainly the same Jim. I'd be really instersted to know if the components are in fact the same bits but also if the diff on the PG1 and PG2 is the same diff as used in the PL5 (the Honda 4-speed auto-box) as i'd really like to fit a Tor-Sen diff to my autobox.
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Re: Re: 1994 BRG Vitesse Fastback

Post by Fastback » Mon Oct 21, 2019 6:47 pm

This goes waaaaaaaay beyond where I want to be with my Vitesse. Absolutely awesome.
And whilst we're talking about PG1 gearboxes :wink: , does anybody know what the bearing numbers are for the 7 principal ones that are needed, please?

Also, is it possible to upgrade the 5th gear to something higher ratio?

Hope this isn't considered to be off thread, if it is, I apologise and will open or add on somewhere else. :)
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Re: Re: 1994 BRG Vitesse Fastback

Post by scoobyh123 » Mon Oct 21, 2019 8:47 pm

Fastback wrote:
Mon Oct 21, 2019 6:47 pm

Also, is it possible to upgrade the 5th gear to something higher ratio?
Use the 5th gear mainshaft and countershaft gears from a diesel car with a PG1 - 220, 420, 620 diesels. The 5th gear on those is much higher than the petrol ones.
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Re: Re: 1994 BRG Vitesse Fastback

Post by 820Vitesse » Wed Oct 23, 2019 9:50 am

That what I have in my current box, it is great for motorways. Top speed on the rolling road was over 170mph. The diesels though were the earlier type PG1s with single countershaft bearing so I think from memory can only be used in this type, I changed the final drive ratio too. I have the ratios I used written down somewhere.
There are several different bearings used for the same position on different versions of the PG1 depending on age and casing type, the only sure way is to get the box apart and measure them and take numbers direct from the bearings. PG1 diff bearings are all the same though 6208 40 x 80 x 18 mm

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Re: Re: 1994 BRG Vitesse Fastback

Post by Fastback » Wed Oct 23, 2019 5:38 pm

170! :shock: 8)
Ok, that's with all the other work you've done as well, but, WOW! Not going to get that from mine with it's rattly top for a while.
Thanks for the info, I was hoping there was a definative answer so I could get the bearings needed prior to disassembly and a quicker rebuild. Never mind.
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Re: Re: 1994 BRG Vitesse Fastback

Post by Fastback » Wed Oct 23, 2019 5:39 pm

Does beg the question though, how can places sell a kit?
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Re: Re: 1994 BRG Vitesse Fastback

Post by scoobyh123 » Wed Oct 23, 2019 11:04 pm

Fastback wrote:
Wed Oct 23, 2019 5:39 pm
Does beg the question though, how can places sell a kit?
They probably sell a basic kit that covers most cars with the proviso that "alternative/additional bearings may be required".

Either that or they will specify gearbox serial numbers (most of which have worn off or peeled off by now) so it's down to the victim - errrrrrr, customer to guess the right one in advance! :roll: :wink: :D
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Re: Re: 1994 BRG Vitesse Fastback

Post by Nuts4my827 » Fri Oct 25, 2019 8:42 am

820Vitesse wrote:
Thu Oct 03, 2019 10:46 am
I think the PG1 and 2 internals are basically the same, from memory the casing is the main differences, I will find some pictures from the workshop manual.
They may look the same, but the main difference is that the 2.7 manual uses taper needle roller bearings for the diff to casing, not the conventional ball bearings.
There was a very detailed good thread on one of the Rover forums (rovertorque??) about a guy who put the Torsen in his 2.7 manual, or the 2.7 bearings in his 2.0 Turbo. Involved wuote a bit of machining.
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Re: Re: 1994 BRG Vitesse Fastback

Post by scoobyh123 » Fri Oct 25, 2019 1:14 pm

Nuts4my827 wrote:
Fri Oct 25, 2019 8:42 am

There was a very detailed good thread on one of the Rover forums (rovertorque??) about a guy who put the Torsen in his 2.7 manual, or the 2.7 bearings in his 2.0 Turbo. Involved wuote a bit of machining.
Any chance you might be able to remember where and/or post a link to that please Phil?
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Re: Re: 1994 BRG Vitesse Fastback

Post by Nuts4my827 » Mon Nov 04, 2019 9:10 am

That forum has gone Dave. Its where I got all the information for my Vitesse Coupe gearbox rebuld a few years ago.
I remember the post, and how the guy was machining his own shims in his workshop.

If I can find the historical websire link (thats if they logged their stuff) i will post it up. Doubtful though. Social Media and hosting costs/Photobucket wiping all images off forums has killed several. Astraownersclub just vanished overnight. Was a very full and informative forum.
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