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Re: 1989 Rover 827 Vitesse automatic

Post by scoobyh123 » Sun Aug 18, 2019 10:35 pm

Going by your comments about how your Jeep handles, you probably wouldn't like an SD1 on the basis of what your dad said.

I have to say, i don't think it was his personal tastes that i had a problem with - more the technical stuff where he was borderline not quite right, nothign you could actually say was wrong but he criticised the car for it (on both videos) when i don't think he fully understood how things are meant to work.

In terms of weight, the SD1 (if memory serves) is about 1250kg Vs the 1490kg of the 827 Vitesse. The SD1 is RWD and the 827 FWD. Those two facts alone make comparable cars an impossibility.

If you wanted to test the quickest out of both ranges, it would have to be a twin plenum manual SD1 Vitesse and an auto 827 Vitesse.

A fairer test would probably be the 3500 VDP and the 827 Sterling as they are the most similar in spec IMHO.
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Re: 1989 Rover 827 Vitesse automatic

Post by CHR15E » Sun Aug 18, 2019 10:52 pm

He can't be an expert on everything I guess, know what you mean though.

Off the top of my head he mentioned a 60/40 rear seat in the 800. Which at that age it wouldn't be.

I'm sure something else stood out as well but can't remember now.

Not sure why you'd compare a manual with an auto?

My dad had a VDP EFi and he liked it very much till it got stolen. He was also more a Sterling person than me, so maybe his advice to me stands up on that basis?

I do remember him having SD1s but 800s were definitely a bigger part of our lives overall. Hence all the cars I had.
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Re: 1989 Rover 827 Vitesse automatic

Post by scoobyh123 » Sun Aug 18, 2019 11:56 pm

That's the beauty of reviewers like him though Chris, the fact they're not (and generally don't pretend to be) experts on everything tends to (usually) give a less biased point of view. However when a vehicle is criticised for a "fault" that doesn't exist and those facts can be found out easily then i find that a bit owrrying.

Certainly agree with you on the rear 60/40 split seat but i have noticed some different market cars got different options and standard equipment to the UK so it's entirely possible Marcs car has a 60/40 split rear seat - fairly certain that was never an option on the SD1 regardless of market though.

Several reasons to compare the auto 827 with the manual SD1, first is that thre are a lot more auto 827s left than manual ones. Also the 827 is essentially an electronically controlled, hydraulically shifted manual box with a torque converter and two-stage lock up clutch on the TC so is theoretically faster off the line than the manuals - let's not forget the Police used auto 827s for that very reason! Top speed is arguable whether the auto or manual is faster, the manual has a slight edge in terms of a slightly lower 5th than OD in the auto and the final drive is a smidge higher in the manual so they more or less cancel each other out. Knowing how the Honda V6 likes to rev, it's highly possible the auto is still faster at the top end because it can get the slightly higher revs.

Can't say i've driven a VDP EFi SD1 but an analogy i believe does fit would be the Mk1 and Mk2 Cavaliers if you've ever driven those? The Mk1 Cav was a good handling RWD machine (similar to the SD1) and in 2.0 form, quite nippy from the factory.
The Mk2 Cav was also a good handling machine but FWD so more akin to the 800 and the controls on the Mk2 Cav are similar to the 827 than the Mk1 Cav that are similar in feel to the SD1. I'm talking about all the controls from the indicators, minor switches etc to steering.

Similar analogy would be Mondeo compared to Sierra.
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Re: 1989 Rover 827 Vitesse automatic

Post by CHR15E » Mon Aug 19, 2019 1:29 am

Going on personal experience from many repeated attempts in several cars a manual 827 (driven properly) is quicker than an auto off the line, especially as it gets to the end of second gear into third. Not lots, a car length or two maybe but definitely quicker in my opinion.

Granted there's opportunity to bugger a start up in a manual so an auto is better in a reliable sort of way I guess.

I've owned several manual 827s (9 I think without checking) and autos (no idea on them) for that matter. Plus the cars my dad owned (all autos).

Every combination we tried, the manual always won.

I can't comment on top end.

Too young for Cavaliers I'm afraid. I'm definitely of the FWD generation.

I did own a Sierra briefly but only to break. Only other vehicles with RWD have been vans or 4x4s, so not really great for comparing to anything.
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Re: 1989 Rover 827 Vitesse automatic

Post by Marc-827-Vitesse » Mon Aug 19, 2019 6:49 am

scoobyh123 wrote:
Sat Aug 17, 2019 7:36 pm
Thanks Marc, normal (or what passes for normal these days!) service is resumed thankfully. :wink: :D

I'll have to have a look for HubNuts reviews, i've recently found another one called "idriveaclassic" who some have described as a "female HubNut" who is a young (30-something at a rough guess) lady who actually knows a fair bit about the cars she is reviewing.
While HubNuts reviews are (generally) interesting and informative, so are hers and she has a couple of other things in her favour such as a really nice voice and a very charismatic presenting style. The rest, you can decide on yourself! :P
Ah that is good news! Good to hear.

Yes I know that lady. She has done a very nice review of the lovely Rover 827 Si fastback that is owned by Nick Prosser.
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Re: 1989 Rover 827 Vitesse automatic

Post by Marc-827-Vitesse » Mon Aug 19, 2019 6:54 am

Nice to read you comment/discussion. Lots to learn!

My rear seat has no 60/40 split. Hubnut made a mistake. But as said, he cant be an expert. :) ;)
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Re: 1989 Rover 827 Vitesse automatic

Post by Marc-827-Vitesse » Tue Aug 20, 2019 8:48 pm

Past sunday, the Dutch Rover Owners Club had it's biggest event since a long time. Wel over 65 Rover classics and youngtimers attended the meeting. It was held on the estate of an old castle.

Before the meet, i met up with a mate who has a lovely Rover 220 Coupe in blue. Awesome car. After we met up we went underway to meet the rest.
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First we met at a parking place near the castle.
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Lined up. :)
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Still very imposing car a Rover P5.
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Rover P4 6-cilinder.
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Rover P6 3500 V8.
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Lovely MK2 Rover SD1 3500 V8 Vitesse.
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Immaculate MK1 Rover SD1 3500 V8.
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Later in the afternoon, all the Rovers drove a parade lap for the croud and after this, we could all park next to each other so that the people could have a look at the cars and ask the owners whatever they wanted.
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There were also people walink around taking interviews from car owners. I was interviewed as wel but i expected them to choose an older Rover and its owner for the newspaper article, however..... :)
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Re: 1989 Rover 827 Vitesse automatic

Post by scoobyh123 » Tue Aug 20, 2019 9:25 pm

Brilliant Marc, superb pics too! :wink: :D
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Re: 1989 Rover 827 Vitesse automatic

Post by Manalishi » Wed Aug 21, 2019 5:50 am

Oh, famous! :)

Hey, how tall are you Marc?
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Re: 1989 Rover 827 Vitesse automatic

Post by Marc-827-Vitesse » Wed Aug 21, 2019 11:09 am

Thanks Dave! :) ;)

@ Manalishi: Haha. I am 2 meters and 2 cms tall. 6 foot 7/8 if I am correct? :)
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Re: 1989 Rover 827 Vitesse automatic

Post by scoobyh123 » Wed Aug 21, 2019 12:24 pm

I feel a neck ache coming on................... :P :lol: :wink: :D
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Re: 1989 Rover 827 Vitesse automatic

Post by Manalishi » Wed Aug 21, 2019 12:46 pm

Marc-827-Vitesse wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 11:09 am
Thanks Dave! :) ;)

@ Manalishi: Haha. I am 2 meters and 2 cms tall. 6 foot 7/8 if I am correct? :)
Jeee! Even I feel short now, I’m only 189cm! :D
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Re: 1989 Rover 827 Vitesse automatic

Post by scoobyh123 » Wed Aug 21, 2019 2:03 pm

Manalishi wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 12:46 pm
Marc-827-Vitesse wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 11:09 am
Thanks Dave! :) ;)

@ Manalishi: Haha. I am 2 meters and 2 cms tall. 6 foot 7/8 if I am correct? :)
Jeee! Even I feel short now, I’m only 189cm! :D
I think that works out to 6'2" in Imperial units Henrik and i'm about 5'10 - 5'11" so i'm feeling really short! :shock:
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Re: 1989 Rover 827 Vitesse automatic

Post by 820Vitesse » Wed Aug 21, 2019 4:13 pm

I just caught up on all your recent updates Marc. A great read and so much interesting stuff and so many great adventures and pictures.
I had a good look around your Vitesse at the NEC on the Sunday, what a lovely car.
I watched the Hubnut video yesterday, he is quite watchable and enjoyed a few of his videos lately, we can forgive him for a few small errors, but perhaps he should remind himself how old the SD1 is when commenting about the wood and plastic. You have been working very hard with the Rovers, it is good to see such well looked after cars appreciated.
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Re: 1989 Rover 827 Vitesse automatic

Post by Marc-827-Vitesse » Wed Aug 21, 2019 7:05 pm

@ Scoobyh123: Hahahaha! ;) :P

@ Manalishi: Wow that is long too!

@ 820 Vitesse: Thank you! I am glad you liked reading it. Thanks for the compliment! Nice that you got to see it on the NEC show. Yes i do agree, he makes quite nice video's of cars and makes an interesting review most of the times. Some of my friends also said that he was a bit to critical on the old cars but then again, he does not know the full history and gets in and sees it. But indeed, he did know the age. My main goal was to get more people to know about these old busses and that there are enthusiasts out there that love them.

But he did say a lot that these cars are much better than people give them credit for. So that is something. :)
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