Rover 820 Vitesse Sport Lux Gold

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Re: Rover 820 Vitesse Sport Lux Gold

Post by scoobyh123 » Thu Jul 19, 2018 8:39 pm

Not front left corner in the oilway then? While the head is off, you could measure up for some copper microbore pipe to fix that oil leak. You could try Rimmers for those plastic dowels, should be a bit cheaper than the tensioner quote! :wink: :D
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Re: Rover 820 Vitesse Sport Lux Gold

Post by n1tr0_9 » Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:09 pm

no they were deffo at the back. Apparently late cars like mine didn't have the restrictor, its built into the head gasket. I'm replacing it with a klinger steel gasket which also has the restrictor built into it. Fingers crossed it wont leak!

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Re: Rover 820 Vitesse Sport Lux Gold

Post by scoobyh123 » Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:24 pm

Hmmm, the MLS/Klinger gasket has the oil restrictor built in and yours was leaking? Suggests doing the belt and braces approach of the copper microbore as well might not be a bad idea. Assuming there's enough space to do that of course.

Are you doing a decoke at the same time? Any cleaning up of the inlet and exhaust tracts? Tom (traineefarmer on here) did all that when he rebuilt the head on his Vitesse Coupé and reckoned it gave a great improvement in performance, smoothness and so on.

Seeing as you've got it stripped this far you may as well do everything you can while it's in pieces to save any revisiting of other small jobs later. :wink: :D
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Re: Rover 820 Vitesse Sport Lux Gold

Post by n1tr0_9 » Fri Jul 20, 2018 7:09 am

Has anyone got a link to the copper pipe mod? As I found an old thread but all the photo links were down and the text didn’t make sense.

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Re: Rover 820 Vitesse Sport Lux Gold

Post by scoobyh123 » Fri Jul 20, 2018 9:11 am

What part of the text didn't make sense? If you could give me a link to the thread i'll see if i can make sense of it for you.
If it was posted by who i'm guessing it was, i might even be able to get some fresh photos and post them up.
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Re: Rover 820 Vitesse Sport Lux Gold

Post by n1tr0_9 » Fri Jul 20, 2018 9:26 am

ill try and find it

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Re: Rover 820 Vitesse Sport Lux Gold

Post by n1tr0_9 » Fri Jul 20, 2018 9:27 am

basically if you fit the restirctor, how does that work with a head gasket with a tiny hole already? do you have to drill it out?

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Re: Rover 820 Vitesse Sport Lux Gold

Post by scoobyh123 » Fri Jul 20, 2018 9:38 am

Which restrictor do you mean?
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Re: Rover 820 Vitesse Sport Lux Gold

Post by scoobyh123 » Fri Jul 20, 2018 10:11 am

The plastic dowels are NLA from Rimmers, however it seems allbrit.de have some for E3.30 (Euros)

http://allbrit.de/UNI.cfm?PAGE=647926&SPRACHE=EN

https://rimmerbros.com/Item--i-LYU10011

They're item #8 on the first link, second link shows what they're like originally and the part number.

Also looked at the restrictor which seems to be just a bit of shaped metal tubing that fits in the block :

https://rimmerbros.com/Item--i-UAM5038

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Hopefully that should give you a few more ideas about it! :wink: :D
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Re: Rover 820 Vitesse Sport Lux Gold

Post by dollysprint » Fri Jul 20, 2018 7:42 pm

You don't fit a restrictor with the Klinger headgasket, either the original restrictor as fitted to the M and early T series (the picture Dave put up) or the micro-bore copper pipe modification. The whole idea with the Klinger is that the hole is smaller, which acts as the restrictor, but then allows the maximum amount of gasket surface around the oil way to improve the clamped surface in that corner. I have never had a Klinger gasket fail, however I will give this engine the sympathy it deserves given that it was run on plain water until it froze.
T series heads are not known to "shuffle" as the marks on the dowel indicate, however maybe the last headgasket job was poorly done, the dowel forced in, or the torque sequence was not adhered too.
Given that and the freeze I would have the head checked to be honest and new head bolts fitted.

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Re: Rover 820 Vitesse Sport Lux Gold

Post by scoobyh123 » Fri Jul 20, 2018 7:54 pm

Thanks for clarifying the position on the restrictor Dave, i thought that might be the case but couldn't find anything to confirm it so said nowt.

I think i suggested a light skim on the head as well, just to make sure it really is flat - if i didn't (post where i was asking if he's panning a decoke etc) then i'd certainly agree that it's worth having done.

I'd also agree on the dowel marks suggesting a poorly done head gasket job, my old 420 GSi head gasket was done a few months before i got it and done badly! Trouble was, they charged the customer very well! Was done by a Renault main dealer in Newmarket and they hadn't cleared the head bolt threads out. Didn't take long before the HG went and i found all this out.
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Re: Rover 820 Vitesse Sport Lux Gold

Post by n1tr0_9 » Fri Jul 20, 2018 8:50 pm

dollysprint wrote:
Fri Jul 20, 2018 7:42 pm
You don't fit a restrictor with the Klinger headgasket, either the original restrictor as fitted to the M and early T series (the picture Dave put up) or the micro-bore copper pipe modification. The whole idea with the Klinger is that the hole is smaller, which acts as the restrictor, but then allows the maximum amount of gasket surface around the oil way to improve the clamped surface in that corner. I have never had a Klinger gasket fail, however I will give this engine the sympathy it deserves given that it was run on plain water until it froze.
T series heads are not known to "shuffle" as the marks on the dowel indicate, however maybe the last headgasket job was poorly done, the dowel forced in, or the torque sequence was not adhered too.
Given that and the freeze I would have the head checked to be honest and new head bolts fitted.

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Cool thanks for the info!

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Re: Rover 820 Vitesse Sport Lux Gold

Post by n1tr0_9 » Fri Jul 20, 2018 8:51 pm

Final strippage complete. Everything off that needs to be off. Now its just clean up, repaint rebuild and refill. Easy eh?

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Deffo need a new radiator. Not much left of the olds one!

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Re: Rover 820 Vitesse Sport Lux Gold

Post by scoobyh123 » Fri Jul 20, 2018 9:28 pm

Not too long ago there were several radiators about that sort of size on ebay for Rover 800s at (sort of) sensible prices. Don't remember too much about them as i was looking for a bigger one for mine.
Don't know what area you're in but if you're anywhere near Cambridge, try Anglia Radiators for a new one, you might be surprised!

http://www.angliaradiators.co.uk/

The best price i'd had elsewhere was upwards of £200, they supplied me a manual radiator for mine for £127 so a considerable saving!

Even factoring in the need to buy an external ATF cooler for £38 i was still quids in!

You're certainly putting in some good work on the car, looking forward to the updates! :wink: :D
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Re: Rover 820 Vitesse Sport Lux Gold

Post by Fastback » Fri Jul 20, 2018 11:10 pm

I'm getting really upset by this thread. You've done more to yours in 2 minutes than I've done to mine in three years...
However, I did/do have to drive mine home at the end of the day.

I got a brand new ali radiator for about £130 I think about a year ago. I'll look out the details if it helps.
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