827 Vitesse

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Re: 827 Vitesse

Post by n1tr0_9 » Fri Aug 17, 2018 6:37 am

I’d say the oil will be fine, considering most cars will go their entire design life on their original oil.

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Re: 827 Vitesse

Post by austinpowers » Sun Aug 19, 2018 11:23 pm

Changed the clutch yesterday, it's like night and day now :D

I'm guessing the judder was caused by the material that's been left on the pressure plate? I swapped the flywheel as well and cleaned it up.

On the car before taking off it off (Clutch masters kit)
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Oil seal seems pretty good, only wiped a little grime off it
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Flywheel i took off
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Pressure plate with a ring of clutch material on it
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Clutch plate
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Replacement flywheel
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I didn't take any photos after i fitted the new clutch kit, but it's a new Mintex 3 part clutch kit.

Took about 7 hours, my brother did help guide the trolley jack in and i lifted the transmission onto it, so that saved me hassle and time, last time i did it i used my foot to push it under the car and to jack it up :P
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Re: 827 Vitesse

Post by scoobyh123 » Mon Aug 20, 2018 7:25 am

Looks like a previous owner spent a lot of time riding that clutch. That or a lot of "jack rabbit" starts. Maybe both.

Seen similar wear patterns on electromagnetic clutches (and brakes) when they are out of adjustment. Brakes being out of adjustment caused this because engagement is always too close, dust builds up and then it stops with a judder due to the dust being spread out by the braking action.

In clutches, the opposite was true, the adjustment wasn't close enough so again, dust built up causing judder as drive was taken up.

As the adjustment is automatic on the car, this means it's down to another cause e.g. riding the clutch (so it's never properly engaged) or a lot of full throttle starts with deliberate clutch slip to avoid wheelspin.

At least it wasn't the "default option" causing it which would be the crank oil seal.

Good work there Andy - what was the gearbox oil like out of interest? :wink: :D
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Re: 827 Vitesse

Post by austinpowers » Mon Aug 20, 2018 11:46 am

The oil wasn't bad at all, I still ran it through a micro fibre cloth when refilling it.

Filtered the coolant as well.
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Re: 827 Vitesse

Post by scoobyh123 » Mon Aug 20, 2018 2:55 pm

Did you catch anything on the cloth? :? :?:
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Re: 827 Vitesse

Post by austinpowers » Mon Aug 20, 2018 8:20 pm

Only bits of floating plant that landed in the bucket from the time i carried it to and from the shed :lol:

Anything else was too small to see :)
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Re: 827 Vitesse

Post by scoobyh123 » Mon Aug 20, 2018 8:43 pm

austinpowers wrote:
Mon Aug 20, 2018 8:20 pm
Only bits of floating plant that landed in the bucket from the time i carried it to and from the shed :lol:

Anything else was too small to see :)
Got to look out for those amphibious triffids! :shock: :lol: :wink: :roll:
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Re: 827 Vitesse

Post by austinpowers » Mon Aug 20, 2018 9:46 pm

scoobyh123 wrote:
Mon Aug 20, 2018 8:43 pm


Got to look out for those amphibious triffids! :shock: :lol: :wink: :roll:
Tell me about it, i thought it was snowing the day but it was little seed thingies floating around. Must have come off the neighbours tree :roll:
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Re: 827 Vitesse

Post by scoobyh123 » Mon Aug 20, 2018 10:01 pm

I know our weather has been a bit extreme lately but snow in August? :shock:

Possible i suppose but doubtful this year! That said i've known a few years where it's been as cold in August as it has in December or should that be as warm in December as it was in the august? :? :?: :mrgreen:
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Re: 827 Vitesse

Post by austinpowers » Sun Aug 26, 2018 12:59 am

Changed the water pump today.. The one i bought for it didn't feel right so i never fitted it as the one on it felt ok, so left it on but recently i've noticed coolant loss and upon inspecting the weep hole, it's leaking......

So i bought a new pump :D

Took a video of it, so when i get round to editing it, it'll be a guide on how to change the belt and pump :)

Afterwards i fitted new front shocks as they were leaking.

Over the weekend i'll replace the rear shocks with the new Koni shocks i have!!
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Re: 827 Vitesse

Post by scoobyh123 » Sun Aug 26, 2018 8:21 am

Water pumps do that - they're designed to when the bearings or seal goes. It's a tell-tale to force you to change the pump before it throws the cam belt! :shock:

I've got a water pump here i bought as new, when it arrived it had witness marks from bolt heads and a squashed seal/gasket so i'm guessing it was fitted, the "previous owner" found it didn't fix the problem so took it back.
Seems to turn ok but wouldn't trust it myself. Can't make up my mind whether to bin it or offer it for cost of postage but i think that answers my question really!
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Re: 827 Vitesse

Post by austinpowers » Sun Aug 26, 2018 12:25 pm

Yeah. The Rovor did the same, felt fine so didn't replace it then noticed the same... Not that bad a job to do. My big Dewalt impact makes short work of most things including the crank bolt :) The little Dewalt impact for other things.

Awful weather today so not going to do anything to it today but I've also got a new pair of headlights to go on as the reflectors are manky so are on the dim side.
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Re: 827 Vitesse

Post by scoobyh123 » Sun Aug 26, 2018 12:54 pm

Although you'll never find it officially, the water pump is a service item at 120k, the timing belt is changed at 96k so most owners (and garages back in the day) would change the water pump with the timing belt.

Similar goes for the timing belt tensioner, most of the time the actual tensioner bearing is ok, it's the tension spring that goes weak. If it's re-used more than once then it won't give the correct tension on the belt, allowing it to jump. I've got a couple of spare springs but there will come a time i'll have to buy tensioners, regardless of the condition of the existing tensioner, just for the spring as they're now NLA at RImmers (XHM463) or at least were last time i checked! RImmers no longer stock the tensioner (XHM461) either so it's Rock Auto for those bits i reckon! :wink: :D
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Re: 827 Vitesse

Post by austinpowers » Mon Aug 27, 2018 7:44 pm

Replaced the rear shocks with my new Koni "reds", the orignal shocks were in pretty good nick compared to the fronts which were leaking.
Set the shocks to 20ish percent from soft.


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Then i fitted brand new headlights.


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Re: 827 Vitesse

Post by scoobyh123 » Mon Aug 27, 2018 10:44 pm

A double-case of shocking enlightenment! :P

You should be able to see better and ride better now! :wink: :D
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