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Re: Thunderbird 2, The Green Machine & Turbo Coupes

Post by scoobyh123 » Sat Jan 15, 2022 9:39 pm

Good to hear you got it sorted Scott! Would be interesting to refit the original reducer now, see if the idle improves and if so take some pressure readings on it. Then either leave that reducer in or fit the new one again and check the gas pressure at idle.

An alternative way of doing it would be to check the Lambda voltage at idle with the set up as it is now. If it's incredibly lean (0.1-0.2V ish) and doesn't creep up much then increase the pressure on the reducer and if it's rich, reduce the pressure. That should sort the idle and also improve general running too. :wink: :D
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Re: Thunderbird 2, The Green Machine & Turbo Coupes

Post by scotty2 » Thu Feb 17, 2022 11:04 am

TB2 has had a OS CV joint replaced to stop the rumbling on lock - now OK. 1 1/2 hrs at local garage. Too cold and wet for me to be doing this sort of thing...

TGM is running OK and the rough idle seems to have cleared. I still need to get the emissions checked when I get time.
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Re: Thunderbird 2, The Green Machine & Turbo Coupes

Post by scoobyh123 » Thu Feb 17, 2022 11:30 am

All quiet on the Eastern Front then! Sounds good! :wink: :D
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Re: Thunderbird 2, The Green Machine & Turbo Coupes

Post by scoobyh123 » Tue Mar 08, 2022 3:35 pm

I coudn't remember the thread Scott but did remember you were looking for one of these recently i think :

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/234456639863

If you weren't it might be a useful spare to have in your stash as well! :wink: :D
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Re: Thunderbird 2, The Green Machine & Turbo Coupes

Post by scotty2 » Wed Mar 16, 2022 1:07 pm

Cheers Dave, but it was the casting below that thermostat cover I wanted as I stripped the thread when bolting that bit on.
I managed to get one.

TB2 Update: Set off for work on Sunday only to get pulled by police about 1/2 hr away from home. "This car is showing no insurance, no MOT and no tax sir."
Bugger. Tax and MOT ran out in Feb. I completely forgot. As for insurance, I was sure it was covered as I remembered discussing putting my youngest son on the policy as he has just passed his test. As it was going to be a fair bit over a thousand, I said keep it as is, and left it at that as it would be renewed automatically...

I was now panicking as I don't want 6 points with all my cars! Checked on the insurance database and it flagged as not being insured!!

The Police Officer suggested I check my phone for e-mails e.t.c. which I had forgotten about. On my Gmail, there was a mail from Friday from Budget Insurance thanking me for renewing my insurance! He was happy with that.

He was not happy with my number plates and said they were illegal as they had an Isle of Man flag on the side, Honeycomb background, and "Thunderbird 2" in small script at the bottom. I pointed out that the car has had 4 MOTs at 3 different garages in the last 4 years and nothing had been mentioned at the MOT. He said the rules have changed.

So now TB2 is due an MOT, and I will be fined for no MOT or Tax, and "dodgy" plates, but no action on the insurance that I did have. It just hadn't been updated on the system as it was the weekend...

I have ordered a new rear box for the exhaust which is blowing, and a Cat as the emissions were close last time.

TGM: Had some new tyres, the sump repair dug out and remade as it had started weeping. No LPG locally due to shortages.
I have a sump, but to fit it, I'd need to remove the front pipe from the manifold. That is a pig of a job so I'll kick that job down the priority list...
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Post by scoobyh123 » Wed Mar 16, 2022 1:21 pm

Ah, i couldn't remember which part of the 'stat housing you needed, i know the top halves do wear aronud where the sealing ring goes so it might still be a useful spare.

As for your insurance, MoT etc, bit of a bummer and good news you were in fact insured. However although what he says is correct about the rules changing on number plates, that only applies to NEW number plates made since the rules changed or they would be pulling every car on the roads! Think he was pulling a fast one with you to try and build up his charge sheet!
The main reason the rules changed on the number plates was in fact due to Brexit and people no longer being able to display the EU logo on the blue background at the left hand end of the plate. It must be the UK country of origin and if those plate were made in the Land of the Three-Legged and sports a plate identifying them as such, i don't think he has a leg to stand on!

I don't like the blue country of origin logos on number plates, preferring the traditional plain ones. I've never had a problem, even when i've bought plates designated as "Show plates" because they still show the makers postcode and BSAu145 mark meaning they comply to the relevant laws when the car was new. It's a common fallacy that when new rules are brought in for new cars, people think they automatically have to adopt those rules for older cars.
If you also prefer the type of number plates that don't have country identifiers on and can find somewhere to supply what they now term as "Show Plates" because cars below a certain age/made after a certain time need the country identifier (i think it's still optional TBH) then i'd suggest going for that, as long as they show the makers postcode and BSAu145 compliance there's not much the fuzz can do about it as long as the spacing is illegal. Not sure on the 3D honeycomb effect as at one time that was fully legal on new cars as well.

If the powers that be would stop changing the rules to justify their existence in menial jobs then we wouldn't have this problem!
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Re: Thunderbird 2, The Green Machine & Turbo Coupes

Post by scotty2 » Wed Mar 16, 2022 4:10 pm

I'm going to kick back on the "illegal Plates" nonsense as you have said, it shouldn't be retrospective. As for the Tax and MOT..DOH! Hopefully not too big a fine.
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Post by scoobyh123 » Wed Mar 16, 2022 4:56 pm

I think the DVLA will issue the fine separately and if you back-date the tax when you are able to get it (once it's MoT'd) they may go easier on you. However i think they have a "standard tarriff" as it were so you were lucky in some ways the car wasn't impounded. :shock:

Hopefully the MoT doesn't bring any horrors and it goes straight through, if so you can argue that although the MoT certificate may have lapsed because (i'm guessing) you were working offshore and you simply overlooked it, you weren't actually operating a defective vehicle. If there are any defects then you may have to put your hands up and take a rap on the knuckles so to speak but fingers crossed you get away lightly! :wink: :D
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Re: Thunderbird 2, The Green Machine & Turbo Coupes

Post by scotty2 » Thu Mar 17, 2022 5:02 pm

Emissions are a bit iffy but I have ordered a new cat to assist. Hope to get it MOTd this weekend.
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Post by scoobyh123 » Thu Mar 17, 2022 7:31 pm

Fingers crossed for you - you might need a new Lambda sensor as well if the current one is over 100k miles/10 years old to help with the emissions. :wink: :D
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Post by Fastback » Fri Mar 18, 2022 12:23 pm

On the Vitesse I have 'old style' lettering. Only a subtle difference but probably most notable on the 'S'. The middle bar is horizontal rather than sloped on newer lettering. That type face is contemporous with the vehicle and as such is allowed to be on the car, a bit like black plates. I think a caution would've more than sufficed in this instance and the 'boys in blue' do themselves no favours when they behave in this way.

I was allegedly caught speeding at a camera point but when I said that camera could not have photographed me (they even gave a grid reference), they changed the location of the 'offence'. By then I had already pleaded not guilty and was not allowed to change my plea in light of new evidence. No driver course option, fine and points. :evil:

Absolutley appalling behaviour and it does nothing to increase your trust.
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Post by scoobyh123 » Fri Mar 18, 2022 2:01 pm

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Fri Mar 18, 2022 12:23 pm
On the Vitesse I have 'old style' lettering. Only a subtle difference but probably most notable on the 'S'. The middle bar is horizontal rather than sloped on newer lettering. That type face is contemporous with the vehicle and as such is allowed to be on the car, a bit like black plates. I think a caution would've more than sufficed in this instance and the 'boys in blue' do themselves no favours when they behave in this way.

I was allegedly caught speeding at a camera point but when I said that camera could not have photographed me (they even gave a grid reference), they changed the location of the 'offence'. By then I had already pleaded not guilty and was not allowed to change my plea in light of new evidence. No driver course option, fine and points. :evil:

Absolutley appalling behaviour and it does nothing to increase your trust.
Black plates have just been changed under the law as well. The car must be made during or before 1979 to be legal now and it's no longer a rolling exemption as VED is for 40+ year old cars. I know this because over on the Volvo forum that i often frequent, there is a guy with a 1980 Volvo 244GL, registered 1/1/1980. As such it's registered as a 1980 car but was blatantly obviously made in 1979. He emailed the DVLA and they said to be legal he had to provide proof it was built before 1980. He emailed Volvo who confirmed it was shipped from Sweden in July 1979 (making it a 1980MY - Model Year - car but built in 79) so the DVLA climbed down and he now has a set of black & silver plates.

As for Scotts run-in about the plates, i think even a caution would have been OTT, as he points out you can't apply those kind of changes retrospectively. With your alleged speeding offence, they are trying double-jeopardy with you, as far as i know that's illegal under UK law. Just because you proved the camera they cited you as being caught speeding by could not have photographed you, they tried to change the evidence to be able to charge you, i'd be looking for a good solicitor to take it on a pro bono basis and once he wins, sue the relevant constabulary for considerable sums of money, both as compensation for you and for all his costs in proving your innocence.
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Re: Thunderbird 2, The Green Machine & Turbo Coupes

Post by Fastback » Fri Mar 18, 2022 6:13 pm

Re Scott's thing, I meant a caution for the whole thing, not even the plates. Clearly an honest error, the tax could've been sorted there and then on a mobile or the rozzer could've easily followed it up within a 14 day period to check that suitable tax and MOT were now in place.

Regards mine, it's historical now but I totally agree. The charge was erroneneous and had I been able to afford even the costs they then threatened, I would've taken it to court. I did speak to a solicitor (non specialist) who recommended a guilty plea. Trouble is, the Law has nothing to do with Justice. Hence the true meaning of the phrase, "The law is blind'; it is a criticism, not a compliment. The original blindfold on the Scales of Justice figure was put on in protest after a court case as the Law could not 'see' what was Just.
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Re: Thunderbird 2, The Green Machine & Turbo Coupes

Post by scotty2 » Fri Apr 08, 2022 10:18 am

Update: TB2 - I got pulled by the Police on 13th March for no tax and no MOT. Mea Culpa - Completely forgot about it after the misses "tidied away" the reminder I had left out to remind me... Declared SORN and started to prep for the MOT. Crusty sill needed attention and handbrake only working on one side. Back box and Cat replaced, so I decided to get the welding done and get the car resprayed while I was at it.

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Bit of a rolling restoration.

TGM: Just had a 500 mile round trip to Motherwell on mostly LPG at 72.6 ppl. On refilling, price now 92.4 ppl. Did 25mpg on gas covering 350 miles on 63 litres. LPG was pretty difficult to find as most web based info is well out of date.
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Post by scoobyh123 » Sat Apr 09, 2022 12:00 am

Great stuff there Scott! Hopefully should sail through the MoT once it's all sorted!

Also glad to hear TGM is now performing as it should on LPG, 26mpg is better than i knew it to do when Dusan had it but by his own admission, he drove it "digitally" on the loud pedal. No doubt the new TPS improved matters vastly when Tom had it (he now has a Volvo 740 hearse! :shock: ) and yes, LPG is tricky to find at the moment! No doubt peole who have cars capable of using LPG are suddenly "remembering" how to use them with petrol nudging £2/L and LPG less than half of that for the most part. Hopefully availability will improve soon! :wink: :D
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