Number 58!

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Re: Number 58!

Post by scoobyh123 » Thu Sep 16, 2021 8:45 pm

The 827 is very assisted, especially at lower speeds as in i can park mine with my little finger. It stiffens up progressively as speed rises though as it should do, being speed sensitive. I remember people used to complain about "hide and seek" steering, i've never had this problem except once when the rack wasn't centralised before the alignment was adjusted.

Centralised the rack, reset the alignment and no more problems. Even with the rear wheels slightly out of alignment so it needs a slight steering input to drive straight (with the front wheels correctly aligned) i still don't get the hide and seek thing.

I'd still suggest changing the fluid though Chris, i think you just need a bit of time to acclimatise to it as you've been driving those Vauxhall things too long in between! :P :lol:
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Re: Number 58!

Post by CHR15E » Thu Sep 16, 2021 9:55 pm

There's no noises or anything.

I think I'd just not noticed in the past.

We'll see. I need to form a plan on the suspension first. If I can't find a happy medium anything else is irrelevant tbh.
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Re: Number 58!

Post by scoobyh123 » Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:01 pm

I've found using the standard springs and dampers with the HD ARBs gives a nice ride and excellent, near-flat handling. Most that i've known of that have tried fitting different springs and dampers and/or lowering it regret it and sell the bits soon after reverting to standard.

Best bet is find some springs and dampers from a 96-on Sterling and fit those with the thick ARBs, even if only the front one to start with.
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Re: Number 58!

Post by CHR15E » Mon Oct 18, 2021 7:44 pm

Well after a lot of indecision I'm putting this up for sale.

The truth is I've moved on and it's not being used. I'll put up some more details later on.
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Re: Number 58!

Post by scoobyh123 » Mon Oct 18, 2021 10:23 pm

Shame you're selling up (again!) Chris, maybe Tracy will be interested in it having just sold her Sterling. If she doesn't notice this post or your for sale post, might be worth a PM to let her know it's for sale..... :wink: :D
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Re: Number 58!

Post by CHR15E » Wed Oct 20, 2021 12:33 am

I've got someone coming to view it Sunday.

I'm not desperate to sell it but don't see where in my life it will fit in if I keep it.

I've advertised it on the Facebook group at £750 as a rolling project with it still having 2 months MOT left.

It's not a show winner but nor is it a heap. It needs someone who's prepared to put more time and money into it than I am.
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Re: Number 58!

Post by CHR15E » Tue Oct 26, 2021 12:34 am

So the guy lined up to view it didn't turn up. 🙄

I've now used it more than I had recently to waste the half a tank of petrol in it. Not related to the person viewing.

I'm going to take the Koni's off again. The ride is terrible with them on. I'll look to sell them on separately.

I am still tempted to hang on to the car, space is a factor though. I'm looking into whether I can find somewhere to store it when the MOT runs out in December.

Everyone else I know is telling me to keep it (except the wife). 😂😂
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Re: Number 58!

Post by mercedade » Tue Oct 26, 2021 8:28 am

When you say the ride is terrible, do you mean crashy and firm? Or something else? Asking for a guy who is unhappy with the overly-light feel at the front end of his 800...
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Re: Number 58!

Post by scoobyh123 » Tue Oct 26, 2021 9:11 am

mercedade wrote:
Tue Oct 26, 2021 8:28 am
When you say the ride is terrible, do you mean crashy and firm? Or something else? Asking for a guy who is unhappy with the overly-light feel at the front end of his 800...
If the front feels excessively light Adrian, particularly at speed, chances are it's the dampers - not a nice feeling when they go and nor is the car changing lanes on dual carriageways without any steering input or warning! :shock:
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Re: Number 58!

Post by CHR15E » Tue Oct 26, 2021 7:46 pm

mercedade wrote:
Tue Oct 26, 2021 8:28 am
When you say the ride is terrible, do you mean crashy and firm? Or something else? Asking for a guy who is unhappy with the overly-light feel at the front end of his 800...
Crashy and firm mate, it's tolerable on a good surface but not fun on a bad one IMO.

Weight of the V6 may not be helping. I believe these were bought for a turbo originally.
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Re: Number 58!

Post by scoobyh123 » Tue Oct 26, 2021 8:04 pm

The Honda V6 is lighter i'm fairly sure Chris than the T series. That would make them harsher.
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Re: Number 58!

Post by CHR15E » Tue Oct 26, 2021 11:46 pm

Really?

Due to what's it made of?

A V6 is much larger so it surprises me it would be lighter.
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Re: Number 58!

Post by scoobyh123 » Wed Oct 27, 2021 9:44 am

Exactly. I looked up the weights on the Rover V8 Vs Volvo redblock the other day, can't remember them now but the V8 was lighter for the same reason. The Volvo redblock and T-series both have a cast iron block which is where the weight is. :wink: :D
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Re: Number 58!

Post by Richard Moss » Sun Oct 31, 2021 6:52 pm

scoobyh123 wrote:
Wed Oct 27, 2021 9:44 am
Exactly. I looked up the weights on the Rover V8 Vs Volvo redblock the other day, can't remember them now but the V8 was lighter for the same reason. The Volvo redblock and T-series both have a cast iron block which is where the weight is. :wink: :D
Just looking online I found a site quoting specs giving the 827 as 60kg HEAVIER than the 820. Doesn't the C27 V6 have an iron block? (nope, Wiki says all alloy)

The old all alloy Rover V8 was exceptionally light but still only weighed about 20 kg less than the all iron MGB B series.4 cylinder, I think
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Re: Number 58!

Post by scoobyh123 » Sun Oct 31, 2021 9:07 pm

Richard Moss wrote:
Sun Oct 31, 2021 6:52 pm
scoobyh123 wrote:
Wed Oct 27, 2021 9:44 am
Exactly. I looked up the weights on the Rover V8 Vs Volvo redblock the other day, can't remember them now but the V8 was lighter for the same reason. The Volvo redblock and T-series both have a cast iron block which is where the weight is. :wink: :D
Just looking online I found a site quoting specs giving the 827 as 60kg HEAVIER than the 820. Doesn't the C27 V6 have an iron block? (nope, Wiki says all alloy)

The old all alloy Rover V8 was exceptionally light but still only weighed about 20 kg less than the all iron MGB B series.4 cylinder, I think
After a long search, i finally found this :

https://www.gomog.com/allmorgan/engineweights.html

The Rover/Pontiac/Oldsmobile/Buick V8 is listed as 318lbs, the BL "O" series as 298 lbs and the Honda 24v V6 (as it's listed on that site, a whopping 491 lbs.

It seems to be a USA site at a guess, judging by the amount of American engines listed. As such the T-series isn't listed but allowing say 56lbs/25kg for the extra camshaft and larger cylinder head of the T series, that makes it 354 lbs at a guess.

Purely out of interest (for me at least) but also by way of comparison, i checked the weight of the Volvo V6 which like the Honda V6 is all-alloy, 90 degree V6 but only 12v but has a duplex timing chain instead of a rubber belt, huge rocker covers, a hefty aluminium timing chain cover etc and that only comes in at 350 lbs.

Going on the kerb weight of an 820 and a similar spec 827, there appears to be 70kg more for the 827 - however most were auto and i'm fairly sure the auto box adds a few extra kg/lbs just for the torque converter. Also i think even on similar spec 800s the 2.7 gained a few extras here and there which would add a bit of weight.

However, that may or may not be so working on the 70kg which is 154 lbs, subtract that from the 491 lbs of the (listed) weight of the Honda V6 and that makes the T-series 336 lbs which is a smidge over halfway between an "O" series and my guesstimate of the T series weight.

I have to say, if all this is correct, it makes the all-alloy Honda V6 a comparative heavy weight, especially when compared to the Lexus V8 at 464-470 lbs.

Given all those comparisons i'd suggest someone has noted the engine weight incorrectly a long time ago and it's been used as "correct" ever since. I'd be happy to be proved wrong but most of all, to find out just where all that extra weight is! :wink: :D
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