Manalishis 820 Vitesse Coupe

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Re: Manalishis 820 Vitesse Coupe

Post by Manalishi » Sat Aug 18, 2018 11:59 am

After Reading nitros excellent thread I decided to take a closer look at my clutch clevis pin. I knew it was worn but never took it apart.

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The pin is easily removed and looking at the pin its easy to spot the worn part from rubbing against the pedal. The hole in the pedal is also worn but that is more difficult to fix, so will leave that for now.

The pin was swapped for a semi threaded M8 bolt. Its a bit too long but it works.

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The bolt is secured by double nuts and a spring washer for now. Some day I will swap it for a shorter bolt with a nyloc, but this will do for now.

Pedal is a bit better but the hole really needs attention too.

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Re: Manalishis 820 Vitesse Coupe

Post by scoobyh123 » Sat Aug 18, 2018 12:27 pm

A suggestion for repairing the pedal Henrik :

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Rod-End-Top- ... 2668528828

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I'm fairly sure there's enough play in the yoke that attaches to the pedal to fit this, maybe with a washer (i'd probably use an M8 washer and drill it out to 10mm I/D) on the end without the brim just to keep things equal.

If using the original style clevis pin, there's probably enough space left to do that, if not the brim could be sanded down (or skimmed in a lathe) or maybe re-drill a different hole in the clevis pin (or bolt!) for the clip.

Obviously the pedal would need to be drilled out to M10 for the bush or enlarged using a file if the hole is seriously mis-shapen.

It would mean the wearing faces could easily be replaced in the future without having to resort to major surgery to the pedal or anything else. :wink: :D
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Re: Manalishis 820 Vitesse Coupe

Post by Manalishi » Sat Aug 18, 2018 2:46 pm

I probably need to get somekind of bush fitted to pedal later on and the metod would need to be something like you describe Dave. Preferebly with the pedal still in the car though!

However I did change for a better pin in stainless as the bolt was a tad too long and I could feel it foul the metal plate. 9kr, about 60p. Now that I’ve Done it, it takes less than 5 minutes.

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Re: Manalishis 820 Vitesse Coupe

Post by Manalishi » Sat Aug 25, 2018 5:34 pm

Rear bumper chrome trim fitted.
I got a roll of Sumex 20mm trim. Very good quality by the feel. A lot heavier than the previous brands I’ve tried.

First it needs to be trimmed to some 16mm as it is too wide and needs to be less D shape. This is crutial and hard to to. A double set of hands are welcome.

The result is excellent. Hopefully it will last more than the 2-3 years my previous did.
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Re: Manalishis 820 Vitesse Coupe

Post by Charles827si » Sat Aug 25, 2018 6:07 pm

Well done Henrik! :D I've still got the new rear bumper trim to fit on the coupe. The original is very discoloured and slightly brittle in places. Probably the original fitted at Cowley about 27 years ago :shock:
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Re: Manalishis 820 Vitesse Coupe

Post by scoobyh123 » Sat Aug 25, 2018 6:40 pm

Great work indeed Henrik! Maybe a silly question but would it not have been easier to buy some narrower trim strip in the first place, rather than trimming it?
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Re: Manalishis 820 Vitesse Coupe

Post by Manalishi » Sat Aug 25, 2018 7:14 pm

Thanks Charles! My original trim was totally knackered when I got the car in 2007. I got a new trim thanks to Richard from a company that wouldnt sell ”abroad” but unfortunately it faded and cracked in a really bad winter we had when the car was outside.

Dave, yes it would. Actually I picked the Idea up at another website, not sure where, but it would be a lot easier to fit a smaller trim. However, the section of it would be wrong. The 16mm is too slim and actually this is very close to the original profile. The original is like a quarter of a circle, like mine is now. And the bottom is too thin using a 16mm trim.

However I do fear there is a risk that the thin chrome wont last as good once it’s split. The chrome (very thin) sits ontop of a plastic trim and the surface is obviously cut. So will water etc get inside? I don’t know yet but time will tell. If it’s a waste of time then I really think a 16mm glued onto a wedge would be the best. But I guess the work involved there is over the top of my head...
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Re: Manalishis 820 Vitesse Coupe

Post by Manalishi » Sat Aug 25, 2018 7:18 pm

...oh and I manufactured a top hat bush for my limb clutch pedal tonight. Next step is to open up the 8mm hole to a 10mm one. But not tonight.
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Re: Manalishis 820 Vitesse Coupe

Post by scoobyh123 » Sat Aug 25, 2018 9:07 pm

Well done on the bush Henrik! Looking forward to the fitting reports!

As for the trim, the usual process is that copper is electroless plated onto the plastic then it's usually nickel plated to "seal" the copper followed by chrome. As you've compromised the edge of it, it's possible it might flake off, depending how good the electroless plating was.

I've got some self-adhesive chrome film, i'm wondering if that might be better in the long run but it would be a fiddle to fit it to the existing trim strip. It's a shame the original isn't still available really. :wink: :D
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Re: Manalishis 820 Vitesse Coupe

Post by Manalishi » Sat Aug 25, 2018 9:42 pm

Best would be some eloxated (Word?) aluminium or stainless!

Im looking forward to the Bush being fitted too! ;)

I think fitting tape or chrome film on top of the trim is very hard on the bumpers due to the double curvature involved in the corners. Maybe with some added heat. My previous trims were thinner in section so it was ok to fit that on top of the original.

Oh, I would give serious cash for some genuine NOS!
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Re: Manalishis 820 Vitesse Coupe

Post by scoobyh123 » Sun Aug 26, 2018 8:17 am

I'm guessing the word you're thinking of is extruded Henrik? That would be nice, especially in stainless but £OUCH on the wallet!

I'm not sure the chrome film i've got would withstand external treatment, it's fine on internal things (i've used it a lot in light housings etc to improve output/light spread) but i don't think it would put up with rain (or car washes) or wind.

I keep looking at DIY plating kits, need to find one for electroless plating of the copper first. Also the plating bath would have to be pretty big but narrow - at least 2m long internally by about a metre deep and not very wide!

What did you make the bush from, phosphor bronze or steel?
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Re: Manalishis 820 Vitesse Coupe

Post by Manalishi » Sun Aug 26, 2018 9:10 am

Anodized aluminium according to google. Common on the yanks chrome trims fitted in the 60s. Best would be stainless polished to mirror surface... Mmmmmm...

Do it yorself chrome kits at least were popular back in the 80s-90s when I restored my first car, a Volvo 121 Amazon, and people bought available kits to fix up smaller items in their garages. I never tried but the process is from what I understand not rocket science, purely a matter of being clean and thorough. I think if a DIY-mechanic could find a way of manufacturing copies of the bumper trims he would sell quite a few of them! ;)

Actually the bush was just slabbed together using a mild steel tube of nearly the correct diameter giving one side a small edge to keep it in place and the outer surface some jagged points to stick once pressed into the hole in the pedal. The contact area between pedal and clevis is about 50% compared to the wider bush so I hope it will cope with some lubrication. If the result is what I hope for I would consider taking the clutch pedal out and doing it properly.

Next step now is to fit the chrome trim to the front. The roll was 516cm (16cm extra) so it should be enough, but the two trims are some +500cm together so bying 5m really is to ask for trouble. :D
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Re: Manalishis 820 Vitesse Coupe

Post by scoobyh123 » Sun Aug 26, 2018 9:35 am

In that case extruded was an incorrect guess - eloxated is presumably an American word, aluminium can be polished to a very high finish, virtually chrome like so if it was polished and then anodized to seal the surface, that would work well.

Did a bit of digging and apparently "eloxated" comes from the German abbreviation of electrolytic oxalisation (oxidising using oxalic acid, the older form of anodising) with a longer explanation on the 4th post of this :

https://www.finishing.com/350/76.shtml

For a while i worked in an aluminium anodising factory as a maintenance engineer and never heard the term there - it was always called anodising. :wink: :D
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Re: Manalishis 820 Vitesse Coupe

Post by Manalishi » Sun Aug 26, 2018 12:46 pm

Oh dear what rubbish! The chrome trim I fitted is apparently sealed with a thin foil of clear plastic. And when cutting through the trim this foil lost it’s grip. After a heavy rain tonight a piece of the surface of the trim is starting to peel. The chrome is intact but I presume it will fade pretty soon. So back to the drawing board!

So beware: DO NOT CUT THE TRIM! :D :D :D
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Re: Manalishis 820 Vitesse Coupe

Post by scoobyh123 » Sun Aug 26, 2018 1:02 pm

What an absolute bummer! Sorry to hear that Henrik!

An idea that crossed my mind would be colour coded heatshrink sleeving over the original trim but they don't do Stone Beige, Gold or anything else i was thinking of!

I've seen some chrome paint on YouTube but it's expensive i think :

https://youtu.be/KBtdU10PIcE

https://alsacorp.com/easy-chrome/

Now i know it's expensive! :shock: :shock: :shock:
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